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Category Archives: Asian culture
“Over It” – The rant of an angry, Agnostic, British, Indo-Pakistani woman of Muslim heritage.
I am over Muslim communities from the same locality celebrating Eid on three different days because they believe that “sighting the moon” in Saudi Barbaria is more accurate than astronomical observatory data. I am over British employers feeling obliged to accommodate this nonsense by giving Muslims days off at short notice due to uncertainty relating to the date.
I am over conservative members of my community trying to impose religious teachings, practices and gender segregation in community gatherings, weddings etc and expecting women to cover their hair during a prayer that none of us asked them to perform.
I am over the complete ignorance by Muslims and non Muslims (particularly UK politicians and media) alike of the fact that “Muslim communities” contain non-religious, spiritual people like me, as well as Atheist people and Agnostic people.
I am over my community b*tching about “The Satanic Verses”, even though most of them have never read it. I am over my community issuing death threats to people who merely suggest that evolution might be reconcilable with the Muslim faith.
I am over UK politicians like Ken Livingstone kissing the arses of Islamist anti-human rights fundamentalists like Yusuf al Qaradawi and pretending to know what non religious cultural Muslims [like me] need and want from life in the UK.
I am over UK politicians thinking that they will find out what I want by speaking to only bearded self appointed “community leaders” who believe that a married woman can never be raped by her husband. I am over UK politicians thinking that headscarf donning women (defined purely by their modesty and “Muslimness”) or the Sayeeda Warsis of the world represent me. Their homophobia, misogyny and dishonesty is NOT something that I identify with. I am NOT defined singularly by the faith I was born into, nor am I represented by demagogues who wish to win support for their incompetent party leader.
I am over the BBC having a show called “The Big Questions” that invites people like Mehdi Hasan and Salma Yaqoob who bully anyone who disagrees with them with charges of “Islamophobia” instead of engaging in authentic dialogue. I am over people such these being incapable of entertaining the idea that not every single criticism of Islam equates to Islamophobic bigotry. I am over the presenters of this show (Nicky Campbell and sometimes Kaye Adams) pandering to traditionalists in an attempt to appear anti-racist when in fact what they’re doing, is implying that anyone with a different culture or religion has different minimum human rights to the rest of British citizenry. Nothing new for the BBC. It has perfected cultural relativism to a tee. I am over the BBC not being aware of the fact that when debating such intellectual topics as “Does Islam need PR”, they should NOT be placing people on opposing sides of the argument physically within inches of one another when they know that the anti-secular bullies get so aggressive and abusive during pretty much every show. I am over the fact that the BBC doesn’t understand how nauseating it is for a secularist to have to explain her arguments while sitting right next to a permanent victim such as Salma Yaqoob who gets offended at people as harmless as Gita Sahgal referring to Muslims as “they”. What other pronoun was she supposed to use?!
I am over being told that my views are Islamophobic, particularly when I come from a Muslim family, have a Muslim name and am profiled at the airport every time I fly because of it, regardless of the fact that I’m Agnostic.

Fundamentalists "Muslims Against Crusades" burning poppies on Armistice Day 2010. London, UK. SOURCE: Sky News
I am over being told that my views are offensive. I’m offended by my community’s homophobia, misogyny and racism in Pakistan, the UK and elsewhere. This doesn’t mean that I have the right (or the inclination) to start burning symbols of remembrance, effigies or chanting “death to ______” or blowing stuff up. Yet people like ME are the ones being called “militant” secularists? When’s the last time a secularist burned effigies and blew stuff up? Secularists do not stunt critique by bursting into Mosques and telling DIY Imams to “Burn in hell! You’re offending me!”, even if we do desperately wish that they would stop spewing their hate.
I am over people not understanding that that secularism and atheism are not the same thing.
I am over converts to Islam like the Kristiane Backers, Yvonne Ridleys and Myriam Francois Cerrahs of the world patronising me and countless others by telling us that we have no right to be angry at our ex co-religionists. That WE are the “intolerant” ones. Painting pink fluffy pictures and telling us that what we see the majority of Muslims practicing is not “real Islam”. You may say that, but most Muslims would disagree with you I’m afraid. I am over these very same converts telling me that the misery I have seen people endure around me from childhood, thanks to Islamic dogma, the racism, homophobia and misogyny of Muslim communities in the UK and elsewhere along with the repeated moral cowardice is all a figment of my imagination. That my experiences count for nothing. I am over people who haven’t lived it, telling me how the hell I should feel.
I am over people from my community telling me that pseudo intellectual [medical doctor] hate preachers like “Dr.” Zakir Naik have anything to contribute to an understanding of theology and spirituality. It’s like taking your car to McDonalds when the brakes fail. I mean, get a clue.
I am over my community letting their sons go out until the early hours of the morning whilst refusing to extend the same privileges to daughters purely on the basis that they are female. I am over asking these parents why they do this and getting the response “because boys don’t get raped/pregnant”.
I am over my community teaching their children that their religion and culture is superior to all others, particularly when they know little or nothing but caricatures about any other culture or religion but their own.
I am over members of my community putting pre-pubescent girls in a hijab when they are not even old enough to understand or give consent to this. I am over the fact that so many parents don’t understand that they are sexually objectifying their own daughter since the intention of the hijab is predominantly to conceal the sexual attraction of women from men.
I am over community and family “honour” depending on the sexual behaviour of women as opposed to those who harm and murder women or fail to condemn the harm and murder of women. Women who just tried to claim their BASIC human rights.
I am over men and women in my community and from outside it, harping on about the “choice” to veil whilst simultaneously ignoring the plight of the women who have NO CHOICE but to veil in Iran, Saudi Arabia and other Muslim majority countries. (Here is an excellent article by Karima Bennoune that puts things into context.)
I am over my community telling women to dress differently to prevent being raped instead of telling men NOT TO RAPE.
I am over members of my community thinking that they have the right to dictate whom their grown child marries. I am over such arranged, coerced or forced marriages disintegrating due to a number of factors including incompatibility and parents acting surprised that it didn’t work out.
I am over people insisting that their children only marry Muslims, or Pakistanis or Indians while simultaneously complaining about the religious discrimination or racism that they face in the UK. Time to look up “irony”.
I am over my community restricting the social interactions of daughters and then wondering why so many Muslim women are finding it difficult to find a life partner. I am totally over mothers telling their daughters “women have to compromise more”. You should just “settle”.
I am over my community forcing their children to conceal their social lives from them and then being disappointed and furious when they discover that their child has done totally normal, healthy things like hang out with platonic friends of both sexes, gone on a date or had a girlfriend, boyfriend or both.
I am over my community devaluing white women by calling them “loose” or “slutty”. I am over my community making sex something sinful, illicit, never to be spoken about and then being surprised when they hear of cases of the Pakistani rape gangs from Derby and from Telford abusing white British girls.
I am over people from my community assuming that everyone in their community is heterosexual, and abusing their child if he/she isn’t.
I am over members of my community being intensely shallow and putting more emphasis on marriage, money and appearance than any other aspects of their children’s lives.
I am over people being offended that my husband and I danced together at our own wedding. I am also over the fact that I was unable to kiss my wonderful husband on the lips on my wedding day for the same reason. Apparently love offends.
I am over abusive, patriarchal fathers in my community choosing careers and many other life options for their children against their will, whilst mothers stand by and facilitate the misery by saying nothing, or joining forces with their tyrannical husbands.
I am over my community performing the worst in education in Britain because of it’s unwillingness to entertain ideas or concepts that come from outside their tribe.
I am over the lack of reasoned, intellectual thought and unwillingness to propose solutions to problems that are rife within my community.
I am over my community’s unwillingness and complete failure to challenge extremism, consanguineous marriages, honour crimes and forced marriages.
I am over the people who maintain friendships with unfaithful, hyper-promiscuous married men while excommunicating women who divorce due to emotional abuse, adultery, domestic violence or for wanting to spend their life with someone who truly loves and respects them.
I am over the lack of moral courage and honesty in my community. The not speaking out when an injustice is done, the deafening silence on child abuse by religious leaders, the “what-about-ery” of “but Catholic priests did it too you know?”.
Finally, I am over the cultural relativist academics, NGOs, public figures and policy makers that say “it’s ok, it’s part of their culture, we should tolerate difference” and pretend to be anti-racist. You are the exact opposite. Human rights apply to humans, and in case you hadn’t noticed, cultural, religious and other minorities comprise of…yes…you got it…humans. Who on earth do you think you are fooling?
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Acknowledgements: This post was inspired by Irshad Manji’s Moral Courage Project and Eve Ensler’s brilliant Huffington Post article on the subject of rape.
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Posted in Asian culture, Cultural relativism, Extremism, Islam, Pakistan, Pakistani culture, Religion, Secularism, UK, Violence against women
Tagged Agnostic, British Muslims, cultural relativism, Eve Ensler, evolution, extremist, fundamentalism, homophobia, hypocrisy, identity politics, Irshad Manji, Islam, Islamophobia, Kristiane Backer, Mehdi Hasan, misogyny, moral courage, Muslim, Myriam Francois Cerrah, Pakistanis, race, Racism, Sayeeda Warsi, secularism, Usama Hasan
“Do you think Asian women are treated better by non Asian men?”
The point that many of us appear to be missing
So, I can kind of, sort of, understand why a question like this might be posed on Nihal’s Asian Network phone in. There is a widely held perception in much of Europe and North America that Asian, Latin, [fill in the blank] men are inherently patriarchal, inherently misogynistic and inherently more violent than non-Asian men. In other words, no matter what they do, they are biologically and culturally predestined to behave a certain way towards women.
Having had mostly negative experiences with Asian men myself, both as friends and as partners, I used to subscribe to this idea once upon a time. This began to change however when I started to read up on the literature on patriarchal values, misogyny, abuse and domestic violence. I began to reject cultural relativist claptrap that predestines all non-white men to a life of oppressing women and found that the answers lie elsewhere. I started to realise that thinking about the issue subjectively wasn’t going to get me very far in understanding the whys and hows. So I turned to academic research.
In the UK, there appears to be a dire, dire lack of critical thinking among the general public about issues such as gender, patriarchy and violence against women. We fall so easily into culture and race generalisations to explain away phenomena in a way that not only pretends to be “culturally accommodating” but is inherently racist. Turning the mistreatment of women of colour by men of colour into a “cultural” phenomenon essentially removes responsibility from the perpetrators of the injustice and implies that women of colour should never hope for better treatment from their male counterparts on the basis that it is “cultural”.
Yes, as a British woman of Asian origin, it does seem like I come across a high incidence of domestic violence, psychological and emotional abuse and strong patriarchal and misogynistic values in Asian communities. I would not deny that for a second. But surface discussions about “Are white men better than brown men” are simply a way of finding convenient excuses and not real solutions. Is it possible that the difference between Asian and non-Asian men is the level of tolerance that their communities have for negative, abusive and violent behaviour towards women? Probably.
The point that most people on Nihal’s show seemed to completely miss, was that being Asian or Latin or African does not somehow predetermine how much or how little of a douchebag you are. Hence, the gentleman who called up and said that Indian men were “the best” might want to explain to me how he can defend that position when practices such as Sati and Female infanticide still persist in a widespread fashion across India and forced marriages and caste based discrimination still exist within British Indian communities?
If culture, colour, race or religion could predetermine the quality of a man’s behaviour towards women, then defences such as ”I beat my wife because it’s part of my culture/religion etc” would be acceptable in court. A misguided New Jersey judge actually allowed such an argument to be presented and ruled in favour of the defendant who had repeatedly beaten and raped his wife and claimed that it was part of his religion. Thankfully, common sense prevailed and the decision was overturned, but it just goes to show where we can end up when we entertain the “brown men are inherently bad” line of reasoning. We need to dig deeper.
“You can’t be what you can’t see.”
Men in general or of a particular race are not “inherently” anything. Just as women in general or of a particular race are not “inherently” anything. We’re “inherently” just human. It is what we see around us that shapes our attitudes towards the opposite sex and shapes how we seek to establish and maintain relationships. What does differ from culture to culture, are the boundaries within which we operate. Hence, if I were in the shoes of an Asian boy growing up in Britain, and it just so happened that I rarely saw an equal, mutually respectful relationship between an Asian man and a woman, I might learn something from that. If I saw that most Asian women were housewives (which I have the utmost respect for might I add), were responsible for picking up after the entire family and did all the housework with little or no recognition, I might (in the shoes of a grown Asian man) think that this is “normal” and “acceptable” treatment of a woman. If I grew up seeing my mother being barked at by my father while she remains quiet and submissive out of fear, then again, it’s no surprise that I may (in the position of an adult Asian man) end up modelling my own relationships on this power imbalance. What we perceive to be “normal” in relationships is significantly informed by how we see our parents interact.
“Bangladeshi and Pakistani women had the highest female economic inactivity rates (77 per cent and 68 per cent respectively). The majority of these women were looking after their family or home. Within each ethnic group women were more likely than men to be economically inactive.” (Source: Office of National Statistics (2005) “Focus on Ethnicity and Identity Summary Report”)
In the year 2012, why are such a high proportion of British Asian women still being expected to adhere to restrictive gender roles and dedicate all of their resources, intellect and ambition to the whims of everyone else but themselves?
Don’t get me wrong, I adore my husband and have wonderful in-laws. I would happily go out of my way for either of them. But I am lucky, because I can choose whether I want to cook an elaborate meal for my husband or whether I do the laundry or not depending on my workload. When he’s busy, I help him out, when I’m busy, he helps me out. We have never sat down and discussed who’s doing what in the long term, yet it all just falls into place. Why? Because we see each other as equals. We are sensitive to one another’s commitments and supportive of one another when one of us is busy with work and the other is not. Something that few British Asian women ever experience in their lifetime. Why? I’m getting to that.
We are all “inherently” human, however if Asian or any other communities have such a high tolerance for the subordinate status of women and do not respond collectively to such behaviours with disgust, condemnation and a strong will to protect the abused target? Then this is what makes the difference between how Asian and non-Asian men (in general) tend to treat Asian women.
“It is important to note that research has shown that men who have abusive mothers do not tend to develop especially negative attitudes towards females, but men who have abusive fathers do; the disrespect that abusive men show their female partners and their daughters is often absorbed by their sons.” - Lundy Bancroft (2002), p.41
I am not for one second suggesting that we should see everything about non-Asian cultures as superior. I don’t think in binary and neither should any of us. I am however suggesting that a culture that saves its best parking spaces for the disabled and sets up mechanisms to prevent forced marriage of its Asian citizens abroad definitely has aspects worth holding in high esteem, as compared to the culture that treats disabilities with level of disdain and deems violence and mistreatment of women as something “cultural” that is to be tolerated.
We know for a fact that other than a handful of matriarchal societies, the mistreatment of women and violence against women exists in every society and culture on earth. And contrary to popular perceptions, it transcends social class, occupation, education and financial capacity. However, this does not absolve Asian communities of their responsibility to respond to violence against women and misogyny in a serious and just manner.
“Among my clients I have had: numerous doctors, including two surgeons; many successful businesspeople, including owners and directors of large companies; about a dozen college professors; several lawyers; a prominent – and very mellow sounding – radio personality; clergypeople; and two well known professional athletes. One of my violent clients had spent every Thanksgiving for the past ten years volunteering at his local soup kitchen. Another was a publicly visible staff member of a major international human rights organization. The cruelty and destructiveness that these men were capable of would have stunned their communities had they known” – Lundy Bancroft (2002), p.69-70
We all need to move away from stereotypical presumptions about misogyny and violence against women based on generalisations about race, religion or culture and focus on the differences in cultural and community responses to such phenomena. Asian men aren’t the problem. Community responses to the mistreatment of women are the problem. They are inadequate and lacking in moral courage.
“Look pretty and shut up.”
Finally, I cannot end this post without acknowledging a lesser talked about but equally destructive form of misogyny which exists among many Asian women. Known among many Asians as “Saas-Bahu” complex (Mother in law – Daughter in law complex), this is a pattern of behaviour that I see repeatedly in cultures where women are powerless in their marriages, in their families and in their communities. It is compounded by the fact that many famous Indo-Pakistani TV soaps (or “drama serials” as they are referred to within Asian communities) act as a step by step guide on how to become a conniving, scheming woman and how to plot against other women out of your powerlessness. The fact that so many Asian women in the West (including my own mother) watch these programmes as their sole point of reference with regards to their culture, only confirms their beliefs that their daughters, grand-daughters, nieces, sisters, daughter-in-laws must not only wake up looking like the front cover of “Stardust” magazine, play the role of “Sati Savitri” (a demure, virginal woman who is uniquely devoted to her husband), but that they must be almost solely responsible for every domestic duty there is whilst putting their own ambitions and dreams in the dustbin.
The level of destruction which female misogyny wreaks must not be underestimated. Add to this the fear of polygamy that many British Muslim women face, et voila, another reason for women to hate one another and scheme against any woman deemed remotely younger, smarter, slimmer or more attractive than oneself. Deeply patriarchal cultures destroy the fabric of communities. They destroy any chance of real bonds of sisterhood between women and leave them feeling insecure, powerless and mistrustful of other women.
The recent Maya Khan fiasco in Pakistan is another example of Asian women scheming against Asian women and thus, perpetrating misogyny. This was an incident where Maya Khan and her “ghairat brigade” (honour brigade) went around a Karachi park in an attempt to name and shame unmarried couples. Faces were not pixellated and people were filmed despite being told that the cameras were off. In the end, a worldwide wave of internet activism resulted in the presenter and her team being fired and the show being cancelled. It was a victory for every free-thinking Pakistani and excellent parodies of her behaviour started to crop up on the www. But the point is, you cannot make amends for the pound of flesh you’ve already taken. Khan and her team cannot undo the fact that the people whose faces were shown are now potentially exposed to a heightened risk of honour crime being perpetrated against them.
So essentially, female misogyny in Asian cultures is just as damaging as the misogyny of Asian males. It supports the deeply unjust values of the community and leaves women with nowhere to turn for solidarity and support. As long as these destructive views remain unchallenged and anything that promotes equality is seen as a “Western” concept, Asian women such as myself will find partners from outside the community (not that there’s anything wrong with this. Ethno-cultural mixing rocks!) My point is, even if anecdotally speaking, we find that it is true that Asian women are treated better by non-Asian men, when we ask “why?” we need to move away from notions of “white men are better than brown men”. As tempting as such answers might be, they’re not very likely to address the problem. What we should be talking about, is why so many British Asian communities blame all of their problems on their youth and the influence of “Western values” when it is precisely these values considered to be “Western” that are making the lives of many brave Asian women (and men) remotely bearable?
Societies that have evolved to hold the human rights paradigm in high regard have no place for selective abhorrence. Hence, elders who purport to teach “good traditional values” within Asian communities cannot pick and choose which injustices are bad and which are acceptable based on the gender of the victim. All injustice is unacceptable.
It’s high time for elders within British Asian communities to stop pointing fingers and take a long hard look at themselves and what they’re contributing to the cultures of their communities. It’s time to search deep for some moral courage and solidarity against violence, disrespect or mistreatment of any kind, regardless of whether the victim is “just a woman” or not.
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Note for readers who may be suffering domestic abuse: I am not an expert on matters of violence against women or domestic abuse (which is more than just physical abuse). See the definition here. If you are in a situation where you feel you may be suffering domestic abuse, whether that is emotional, psychological or physical and have no-one to turn to, please do not hesitate to drop me an email at opinionista.wordpress@gmail.com.
I am not qualified to advise anyone on such matters, however I can signpost you to some excellent individuals, organisations and resources that could be of help to you. Stay strong. You’re not alone.
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Posted in Asian culture, Cultural relativism, Pakistan, Pakistani culture, Religion, Violence against women
Tagged abuse, Asian Network, Asian women, Bangladeshi women, BBC, color, colour, cultural relativism, culture, domestic violence, Indian women, misogyny, Nihal, Pakistani women, patriarchy, race, Racism, religion, violence, violence against women
